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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 27, 2009 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972 Best Show Ever?

If I didn't have tunnel-vision for 10/29/77 I would agree this is indeed the best show ever.

My vote for DeKalb over Veneta has more to do with my subjective feeling for the Dead's '77 sound and jamming style vs. '72, but from a purely objective standpoint, it's hard to argue with the performance they delivered on 8/27/72.

It is a show I keep returning to because everything is so PRISTINE...that's the word I thing best sums it up. The vocals are crisp and the playing so tight, yet the jams--as evidenced by a possibly best-ever BIRDSONG and PITB--are generous and creative.

The show rocks when it needs to (BERTHA, CASEY JONES, DEAL), yet delivers nuanced, relaxed gems as well (SUGAREE, SING ME BACK HOME).

If I had one Dead show to show off to "non-believers", I would showcase this one. "Best Ever" is always going to be a subjective assessment, so I won't yield on my 10/29/77 answer to that question, but i do think it's fair to make the argument that 8/27/72 MUST fall into any serious Top 10 list of shows, and I would go as far to say Top 5 as well.

For me, it's number 2 on the all-time list, and that's saying something for a fan so enamred of '77 that his next 4 or 5 shows might be from that year alone.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 27, 2009 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972 Best Show Ever?

I will say that 10-29-1977 has definitely moved up the list for me through the years...08-27-1972 might not necessarily be my "favorite" show ever, but in trying to objectify Dead music, it is the best show...

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 27, 2009 5:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972 Best Show Ever?

but by '77 the drumming had deteriorated to that dull, duplicated, plodding percussion reminiscent of Greg Elmore on "Happy Trails" - but he was able to do it all on his own, he didn't need another drummer to mimic. Unless they interact (like they did on 'Live/Dead'), two isn't necessarily better than one.

Give me '72 over '77 anyday, but maybe something from Europe '72 (i.e. with Pigpen).

I mean, just like Barton Hall (yawn) how can it be the best ever Dead show without Pigpen? Show some respect (and commonsense).

But, respect to you too, it's all subjective (i.e. IMHO) so, if that's what floats your boat ........

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 27, 2009 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972 Best Show Ever?

Gonna have to go and disagree with you there on the drumming thang, re: '77.

Why not truck on over here

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-10-29.sbd.miller.92085.sbeok.flac16

and give that SUGAR MAG a listen?

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 27, 2009 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972 Best Show Ever?

Great song, but pedestrian version (drumming). You can almost imagine 2-3 boy scouts helping Billy & Mickey cross the road, holding up the traffic and carrying their Zimmer frames.

I preferred it when the Dead were young and full of vitality e.g. "Live/Dead" and my first (green vinyl TMQ label) bootleg:-

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-10-04.fm.glassberg_winters.28363.sbeok.shnf

Track 11 (as in 'The Eleven' on "Live/Dead" - there's some real drumming there!!!).

But, heh, let's not fall out - it's all personal subjective opinion NO-ONE can prove that one is better than the other and the more 70/71/72 for me, the more 77 is left for you.

One concession though - during a wasted moment or three (more like 2 weeks), I collected every "Friend of the Devil" from 1977 on the Archive - 12 in all if memory serves me right and put them on 2 CDs (had to drop one 'cos could only fit in 11) and listened to them again and again and again. Just love the insturmental breaks in the middle - tends to be Keith -> Bob -> Jerry with sometimes Jerry providing almost a fake ending before taking-off (soaring) once again before the dull, plodding chorus (you thought I was going to say "drumming" didn't you? - so you know what I mean?) comes in again. I just love those instrumental breaks - almost like mini 'Dark Stars'.

Keep on Truckin'

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972 Best Show Ever?

Yes! I used to really hate the transition from the original, almost bluegrass fast versions of FOTD to the ballad-like power chord versions, but the more I listened the more I came to like the really well-played slow versions (10/29/77 happens to have a superior FOTD!)

One concession I'll certainly make for the one-drummer (Billy) over the 2-man set up is in some of those great China>Riders from 1974 (i.e. my favorite ever 2/24/74) in which Billy just flows and does his best Buddy Rich/Gene Krupa-like fast-drumming to keep up and then eventually drive the whole band on the jams).

Ultimately, though, I like the 2-man set up b/c certain tunes are given that extra percussion push (Cassidy, LIG, Scarlet>Fire) that I think are missing in the just-Billy days.

As you say, all subjective...and always fun to discuss!